Re: [-empyre-] bloggers [can] shrink systemic scarring

["_s.v.m_" <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>]

At 03:54 AM 18/06/2005, HW wrote lots of stuff, some of which i intend 2 
respond 2, most of which i want to examine in terms of discourse variation 
+ as an eg of how  the potential of blogging can offer potential 
alternatives 2 argumentative/proof-based [mono]logging:

1. i wrote:
> >  #blogs *can* [ad nauseam] present as less intrinsically reliant on
> > fiscal or hierarchical reward-systems [ie such as
> > newscasting/journalism] + projecting information outside of a
> > framework formulated within these rigid economic dependencies [ie
> > having the opportunity (with)in blogdom 2 present ur take thru an
> > individualised opinion filter as opposed 2 a primarily
> > monetary_inflected 1]. of course, the risks for those still even
> > partially centred within a systemic reality should be acknowledged
> > when Blogging_Against/Outside_The_Machine [eg being dooced
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dooce ].

2. HW responded:
> First, I don't get the opposition:
> from my perspective there is no
> "outside the system".

this is the 1st instance of wot i perceive as a type of basic HW/mez_method 
of discourse_ variation. ie 4rm the get-go of ur reply, HM, it seems [+ i 
may be way off base here] as if u r intent on parsing my post as if it is 
intended argument + as such it follows a reasoned, logical [read: 
socratic/scientific/deductive-based reasoning/method based] structure. i 
didn't intend my post to b interpreted as such, which alone doesn't 
guarantee that can't b, obviously. what i am basing my 
indicators-that-my-posting-indeed-may-not-intentionally-argumentative-as-such 
r various language markers/signifiers that demarcate variations in the 
henry/mez streams of discourse:

-my discourse structure potentially could b perceived as being riddled with 
sound_bite-ish [though i tend 2 view it as succinct] 
philosophical/scientific blather, + unsubstantiated conjecture [according 2 
established rational mechanisms of validation/proof]. i prefer 2 labour 
under the delusion that it also displays ephemeral thinking/questioning, 
unfolding conceptual allure thru suggestion rather than instruction, 
abstract engagement + open inflection [lots of "can"/"may"/'"seems"].

-ur [HW's] position seem 2 immerge quite strongly from a different 
orientation - preferring logical structures, deduction based on reasoning, 
examination of discourse elements through the use of introspection/personal 
experience + statistics, + conclusive/instructive & potentially didactic 
statements 2 prove ur overarching position?

An eg from ur post:
"There is only The System, as there is only one world we live in: this one."

....now without [hopefully] turning this into Reasoning 101, i've posited 
the above in order 2 high-light 2 things:

1. the difficulties + delicious engagement possibilities of this basic 
communication/discourse variance. i myself find the lure of my ego voice 
fairly demanding - ie falling back in2 manifestations of argument + proof 
building; responding 2 each of ur logical assertions with a counterpoint, 
intellectually jousting within-deductive-parameters + deriving insight/[and 
possibly]insult from this. i actually started a response that did just 
this: countering basic flaws + indicating inference holes. then i went 
"woah - power structures any1? ego intervention, hello!?" so trashed it 
immediately. i'm quite likely [unfortunately] as a 
scientifically/intellectually trained boffin 2 respond in this very light: 
indeed, i do fall splat-bang in2 it occasionally [d'oh!]. wot i would 
rather attempt, tho, is the utilisation of modalities that somehow reflect 
the medium + encourage a type of openness, rather than reduce the 
multilogue [as this is a forum in which multilogging seems desirable] 2 
parameters that seem [probably unconsciously] exclusionary?

i suspect my dislike of reasoning didactically may stem from a nagging 
suspicion that it could actually emulate + ultimately allow for [in a 
substantially incremental sense] the perpetuation of, as HM puts it, the 
"rapacious global industrialism which developed in concert with and as a 
method of survival for, the rapid expansion of human population in the 20th 
century".

ie, i view the way in which this type of discourse is constructed [via 
reasoned proof] as aping the very mechanisms that, in my view, act to 
maintain/perpetuate global levels of exclusion, hierarchy, discrimination + 
domination.

which brings me 2 my 2nd [equally rambling] point:
2. the position that blogging cannot reflect or assist in establishing 
cultural or societal change/variance seems [2 me] an illustration of 
hierarchy based on this reasoning dependency quagmire.... by posturing that 
action is the only realistic avenue of change ["concrete activities by 
people"], this seems 2 then deny or invalidate any other type of 
resistance, questioning, or  practice that may not be as overt or 
discernable in nature.

in my holistic/rhizomatic/jigsaw formulation of wot can constitute a type 
of resistance 2 overarching ideologically-defined systems, a devotee's 
flickr pictures of movies stars mite indicate some time of action of their 
own - the ability, on the most micro-of lvls, 2 organise, activate, or 
initialise some type of learning/cogitation/motivation [in contrast 2 overt 
in-ur-face-quantifiable activist Stimulus-Object-Response type].....i'd 
much prefer 2 absorb the twittering cutsie output of a blogger who devotes 
their time 2 documenting their luv of kittens than cringe at ppl convinced 
that they cannot make a discernable difference unless they perform 
"concrete activities"...ie who may also feel compelled 2 display [thru 
polarisations/rhetoric such as "if your not with us ur against us"] an 
orientation advocating apathy + helpless due 2 binary oppositions trotted 
out by ppl intent on saving them from their capitalistic servitude via an 
internalised dominator mimicking....

[ack....can...feel....ego...........intervening............must...........stop.............................typing............;)]


with anti-apathy-r[easoning l]ust,
mez
[s.vee.m]





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